От au
К All
Дата 26.12.2003 05:16:16
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USS Hartford

An American nuclear sub (the USS Hartford) that grounded itself while training off the Spanish coast, apparently suffered worse damage that originally thought. The accident occurred in October, but the sub has just recently been dry docked and examined in detail. It turns out that the bottom half of the rudder was torn off and the gouges in the hull were deeper than first thought. Initially, it was thought that the damage was less serious. Although the sub was able to steam back to dry dock facilities at Groton, Connecticut, it had to do so at half speed, taking a month for a trip that normally is made in two weeks. The cause of the accident was sloppiness by the six sailors in the navigation team. Too much time was allowed to elapse between position updates and the sub went aground while navigating shallow coastal waters. All six sailors in the "navigation party" were punished for dereliction of duty. The captain of the sub, and his boss (the commander of Submarine Squadron 22, based in Spain), were both relieved of duty. The implication here is that the training and discipline of the navigation party were not up to standard, and the ship's captain and the squadron commander are responsible for training and discipline. The damage to the Hartford may require expensive repairs to the hull and keep the sub out of service for up to a year.
От Simm
К au (26.12.2003 05:16:16)
Дата 26.12.2003 22:09:44

Re: USS Hartford

Да и фиг с ними,с америкосами.Чтоб они все утопли,уроды!
От RUSSIA
К Simm (26.12.2003 22:09:44)
Дата 27.12.2003 07:44:27

Re: USS Hartford

И Я ПРО ТОЖЕ !
От RUSSIA
К au (26.12.2003 05:16:16)
Дата 26.12.2003 21:39:53

Re: USS Hartford

You Bro ... you do know that this is a Russian website , and that all AMerican submrine nonsense is not interisting to Russian people who visit this site . So next time please dont include that info , its worthless .
От au
К RUSSIA (26.12.2003 21:39:53)
Дата 28.12.2003 10:25:51

Re: USS Hartford

> You Bro ...

я тебе не bro.
От RUSSIA
К au (28.12.2003 10:25:51)
Дата 28.12.2003 11:52:19

Re: USS Hartford

LIV4IK ... LEHKAVEsheZ
От Аква
К RUSSIA (26.12.2003 21:39:53)
Дата 26.12.2003 22:44:20

:-)

To my mind it is not so.
If an information can have more details about a sub damage - it ll be actual. I remember a discoursion about "what happiness with the sub" in this Russian forum.
And AU is a Russian speaking man - for the tanks sitters :)

Kiss you gently......Aqua :)
От RUSSIA
К Аква (26.12.2003 22:44:20)
Дата 27.12.2003 07:43:15

Re: :-)

Where did u learn your English anyways ? Kiss Gently wtf is that ?

От ЛАА
К RUSSIA (27.12.2003 07:43:15)
Дата 31.12.2003 11:14:03

хм...

> Where did u learn your English anyways ? Kiss Gently wtf is that ?

Забавно, а Вы где учили русский? Kiss you gently == нежно целую. А вот за wtf можно и в репку схлопотать...
От RUSSIA
К Аква (26.12.2003 22:44:20)
Дата 27.12.2003 07:41:15

= ) AKBA

Not so to your mind ... it is for mine. Most of the people in this forum have no respect for the Americans ... well maybe they do , but with what the Americans do and how they treat Russians i wouldnt want to read any stories or articles about them . You probably dont really know anything about so lets keep it quite simple .

От ЛАА
К RUSSIA (27.12.2003 07:41:15)
Дата 31.12.2003 11:07:25

пардон муа!

Dear, please keep up your own side and don’t speak for others. I do not think the sound nickname you have chosen gives you enough rights to do so.

Following strictly the wrong course of your counterparts is a bad idea: you make almost no difference at all.

Moreover, if you hate so badly these Americans, you SHOULD know the news: the heavier you hate - the better you should. The only case you are free is if you keep your head in sand like an ostrich. So your misrespect is of this origin.

I think on my own, that since 12th August 2000 any news of NATO nuclear submarine unilateral accidents are of great importance.
От PITON
К ЛАА (31.12.2003 11:07:25)
Дата 07.01.2004 22:08:36

Re: пардон муа!

I think on my own, that since 12th August 2000 any news of NATO nuclear submarine unilateral accidents are of great importance.

I AGREE 100%. I THINK, THAT YOU WILL FIND THE INFORMATION ON USS “HARTFORD” PROVIDED BELOW INTERESTING.
SINCERELY,
PITON.

> USS Hartford Damage is Severe
> It seems more and more info is coming out about this. Sad story to read.
> MMCM(SS) Greg Peterman USN Retired
> Damage to the Groton-based submarine USS Hartford after a grounding off
> the coast of Italy in October is greater than initially believed, with
> most of the bottom half of the rudder torn off and gouges in the hull
> deep enough to raise concerns about its structural integrity, according
> to Navy sources.
> The sources also said the damage occurred when the Hartford was
> conducting training drills in the channel as it departed La Maddalena
> and wandered outside the channel when the navigation team went too long
> without updating the ship's chart position. The submarine's Global
> Positioning System was working, and the Hartford navigation team could
> have easily determined how far out of the channel it was by using that
> method, the sources said.
> Official Navy spokesmen declined to comment on any of the sources'
> claims.
> Lt. Cmdr. Robert S. Mehal, a spokesman for the Atlantic submarine force,
> said engineers and shipyard workers are still assessing the damage to
> the Hartford, which arrived Tuesday at Norfolk (Va.) Naval Shipyard,
> where it will be put into drydock.
> The Navy said earlier this week it could be several weeks before the
> damage assessment is completed.
> Pictures of the hull damage, made by divers off the tender USS Emory S.
> Land in Italy, show extensive damage to the rudder, particularly the
> part that projects under the boat, say sources familiar with the photos.
> The hull is so scarred that the Navy imposed strict operating limits on
> the Hartford.
> The sources said the ship had to make the entire trip at less than 200
> feet below the surface. Normally, Los Angeles-class submarines such as
> the Hartford can operate at depths greater than 800 feet. The Navy also
> set speed restrictions on its crossing, which was the reason the
> Hartford took almost a month to make what would normally be a two-week
> journey.
> The sources said the Hartford was conducting man-overboard drills at the
> time of the accident, operating at speeds between 12 and 15 knots. Cmdr.
> Cate Meuller, a spokeswoman for the Navy's Sixth Fleet in Gaeta, Italy,
> would not confirm those claims.
> She also declined to comment on whether there are any speed restrictions
> in the channel or whether submarines are free to conduct training drills
> during their transit.
> â?oThat would be something that would be dealt with specifically
> in the investigation,â? Meuller said. â?oUntil that has
> been completed, we can't comment on any of these issues.�
> The accident happened Oct. 25, less than a month into what was to have
> been a six-month deployment to the Mediterranean, and only four months
> after the skipper had assumed command.
> The Hartford was departing the submarine port at La Maddalena when it
> ran aground briefly in the channel outside the national park east of
> Caprera. It returned to port under its own power. There, divers
> discovered the damage to the rudder and scrapes on the hull.
> The Navy has said the accident did not damage the ship's reactor or its
> weapons, and the watertight integrity of the hull was never compromised.
> Initial Navy announcements indicated that the damage was not severe.
> The commodore of Submarine Squadron 22 in La Maddalena, Capt. Greg
> Parker, who was on board the Hartford to act as the harbor pilot, and
> the ship's captain, Cmdr. Christopher R. Van Metre, were both relieved
> of command Nov. 9.
> Six crewmen who were part of the navigation party received various
> punishments for dereliction of duty.
> The Navy sources said the navigation team was punished because it had
> not updated the ship's position on the charts frequently enough to
> guarantee the Hartford stayed in safe waters.
> In general, the water in that area is deep enough to support the kind of
> operations the Hartford was conducting â?" except for one small area
> where the Hartford grounded.
> Mueller said the navigational questions are key to the investigation,
> but added that she could not comment on any of the claims.
> Cmdr. William C. Stacia Jr. has assumed command of the Hartford. Stacia
> is the former skipper of the USS Cheyenne in Pearl Harbor and most
> recently was the deputy commander of Submarine Squadron 4 in Groton.
> Stacia has been selected for promotion to captain, and would normally be
> too senior to be considered for a submarine command, but the Navy wanted
> an experienced, senior officer at the helm of the crippled ship.
> A Navy spokesman said he does not expect that Stacia will remain in
> command for an extended period, though it could be weeks or months
> before his replacement is identified.
От OldSalt
К au (26.12.2003 05:16:16)
Дата 26.12.2003 09:47:14

Мировая практика...

Добрый день!
...оказывается все-таки предусматривает увольнение больших начальников за плохую выучку подчиненных. Видимо, только у нас можно запустить в центр столицы вооруженную до зубов армию террористов и спокойно перейти в парламент - законы для нас сочинять.
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