От spi
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Дата 12.08.2005 19:58:00
Рубрики Курск;

Вот нашел новый бред про Курск

Вот, случайно наткнулся на буржуйскую страницу про Курск.

http://jp-petit.com/Koursk/Koursk1.htm

Первая часть есть на русском( http://www.murman.ru/kurskmem/articles/norwayr.htm), но это уже всем известная версия.

Все в основном на французком, в нем я не силен, но в конце есть кусок на английском, он приведен ниже. Если кто знает французский, то было бы интересно, что там еще написано. Есть интересные фото.


Про кусок на английском:
Бред конечно бредом, но кое-какая интересная информация там проскакивает. Источник всего этого - французкий журналист-документалист, исследующий тему и некий офицер французских спецслужб, который получил информацию от российских коллег из "антипрезидентской фракции".

Перевод мне так сразу не написать, но вот о чем там пишут если коротко:

1. На Курске планировались испытания "Толстушки" (The Big One)
2. Под это дело один у одного из ТА "увеличили диаметр под эту торпеду". Диаметр Толстушки 1м
3. Скорость Толстушки оценивается в 6000 knots. Для сравнения, у Шквала 1500 knots.
4. На испытаниях на Курске присутствовали 1 китайский генерал и два араба (неустановленных) - т.н. VIP'ы.
5. Американы, желая сорвать испытания и будущие контракты на поставку аналогичных торпед "с помощью сонара приказали Курску всплыть и выгрузить (отдать им?) VIP'ов".
6. Курск не ответил, и было принято решения его топить.
7. Бред про то, что топить Курск решили "тараном".
8. Стукнули, в результате через 2 минуты взорвался торпедный боекомплент.
9. Наши решили все скрыть (почему?)
10. Петр Великий опять же "сонаром" дал команду Курску "задраить все и сидеть тихо", а остальным судам (каким?) - предупреждение, что любое судно подошедшее в район нахождения Курска будет потоплено.

Дальше совсем уж бред, пишу только ради перевода информации и полноты картины.

11. Подошло наше спасательное судно с двумя подводными аппаратами и одному из аппаратов удалось присоединиться к Курску.
12. В данный аппарат за раз помещалось до 8 человек.
13. Собирались в первую очередь снимать VIP'ов.
14. Оставшийся экипаж посчитал, что если снимут VIP'ов, то есть вероятность, что их никто после этого спасать не будет.
15. В результате произошел конфликт, к котором (вероятно) VIP'ы были убиты
16. Спасательный аппарат ушел пустым.
17. На самом высоком уровне решилось никого не спасать.

Бред и вранье видно невооруженным взглядом, но - какая часть из всего этого может быть правдой?

Что мы имеем по пунктам:
1. - официально признанный факт
2. - не вполне ясно, как можно "увеличить диаметр у ТА"?
Вероятно имелось в виду, что поставлен новый ТА спроектированный под Толстушку? Такой ТА был на Курске изначально или незадолго перед учениями Курск был на верфях для установки этого ТА? Вряд ли можно менять один ТА на другой "на коленках". Кто знает, просветите плз.
3. 6000 knots, если я правильно посчитал - это около 3 км/c. Правда что-ли???
4. Такая информация уже встречалась, скорее всего правда.
5. Не думаю, что американы настолько обнаглели, чтобы выставлять требования, "скрытно" наблюдая за нашими учениями.
8. Стукнуть могли, но вряд ли нарочно. Таранить Курск Лос-Анжелесом в надежде, что рванет боекомплект (для чего еще?) мог только самоубийца, какова вероятность нужного им исхода - 0.0001%. Вероятность для ЛА в этой ситуации остаться на дне на много порядков больше. С другой стороны, случайное столкновение -> повреждение торпеды в ТА -> пожар в 1 отсеке -> взрыв остальных торпед - вполне жизнеспособная версия.
А столкновение от того, что амеры из кожи вон хотели получить побольше информации о новых испытаниях и вертелись вокруг.

Дальше комментировать не буду.


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Dear Sir,

I am a french scientist, astrophysicist. I am 66. I belong to the French Cnrs (but retired in april 2003). To contact me. Many years ago I worked on MHD power plants (magnetohydrodynamics). I knew personnally E.Velikhov, who became Poutine's collaborator for military affairs (...). I still have an old good friend in Moscow, Pr. Golubev, who works on lasers (but perhaps is he retired too). I give you this information to convince you that I am serious and not a joker. I know all the truth about the Koursk "accident". I have two sources.

- A french journalist, Michel C. who tried to make a TV documentary about the affair. He obtained a lot of information.
- I had a contact with french secret service who were in contact with an 'anti- Poutine faction of the Russian secret service'

If you want to put this on your website immediately, you can do so.

Title : THE TRUTH ABOUT THE KOURSK

Author : Jean-Pierre Petit, France, Senior Researcher, specialist in Magnetohydrodynamics (MGD in Russian).

Two years ago a french journalist, Michel C., visited me. He wanted to make a TV documentary about the Koursk. He was aware of my knowledge and experience in deep sea skin-diving. He showed me some documents. From the original version a torpedo seemed to have exploded in the front room of the submarine. But there were two s, the first being weaker. An explanation will be given.

The Barents sea is not too deep. The Kursk sank at a moderate depth. Considering its height the upper door of rescue chamber should be only 90 meters below the surface. All the submarine's crew men have individual rescue suits. In Europe, these suits are designed by the Beaufort Company, UK. They can be packed as small luggage. I can provide colour pictures of such suits. The seaman can put it on and inflate it, moderatly. Then the officer who runs the evacuation operation increases the pressure in the rescue chamber and opens the door filling it with sea water. Each member of the crew gets into place just below the rescue door and fills the suit completely with air. Then Archimedes force acts. He climbs at 3 m/s. In the case of the Kursk : 30 seconds to reach the surface.

There, the man can inflate a small rubber boat, climb in and wait. This system can be operated up to 500 feet deep.

It is extremely surprising that no one on the Kursk used this system. It is impossible that such rescue systems were not on board. In addition, the Kursk possesed a sophisticated rescue system : two small submarines, able to hold the whole crew and to ensure their rescue at 2000 feet deep. But these two submarines were docked in the turret, the cockpit of the ship. So that this rescue system may have been blocked by the of the torpedo room. In any case, I cannot believe that the could have blocked all the rescue doors.

Acording to Michel C. the nuclear admiral Ship "Peter the First", did not come on the site of the wreck after the drama but moved away several miles.

The international press said that "Russians did not posses specialized devices to rescue the crew from the submarine". If the Kursk had sunk at a depth of 2000 feet, this would be plausible, not at such moderate depth. There must be another explanation.

Discussing the cause of the wreck, the press talked immediately after of "a collision with another submarine". We knew that a western submarine was docked in Norway for repairs.

Some other information from Michel C.

- The diameter of the torpedo tubes was enlarged before the manoeuvres in the Barents sea. These tubes were designed to fire a new torpedo called "la Grosse" (in French). In English "The Big One" or "The Fat One".

- A mutiny took place in the Kursk. Some members of the crew were killed. The officer who kept the arms on board was found dead with a bullet in his head after the Kursk rescue.

- Three men were in the KURSK : a Chinese, and two Arabs.

- A paper was found in the pocket of a Kursk seaman. He wrote (in obscurity, he said) : "We are in the rescue chamber. Two officers are trying to handle the door. The said they know the system very well. But it seems to be locked.

Now we have to cross two new stories. In january 2001 I went to a scientific meeting in Brighton, England. There I met a specialist of MHD, in charge of special projects for NASA. He said he worked 20 years ago on a high velocity MHD torpedo. I was suprized, for I thought that MHD had been abandonned all over the world at the begining of the seventies. But he said that a considerable effort on military MHD had continued in secret in the US and USSR.

The technical data are the following. For 30 years the Americans and Russians have rocket propelled torpedos. The Russian model is the "Sqwal" and the American one is called "Supercav". The drag in water is much more important than in the air. The Sqwal and the Supercav blow hot gas, provided by a secondary rocket. This gas is injected in the water just in front of the torpedo. The heat of this gas vapourises the sea water allowing the torpedo to move in such a bubble of vapor at higher velocities, up to 1500 knots.

MHD torpedos work differently. They are also propelled by a solid propellent rocket. On the "divergent" of this rocket, a MHD generator transforms the kinetic energy of the gaz into electricity. The system uses a wall MHD convertor. I can give the complete design of the torpedo, if desired.

This electricity is sent to the linear electrodes of a MHD wall accelerator which sucks the water backwards very strongly canceling the friction drag. According to the american specialist I met, in 1980, the velocity of the torpedo was about 6000 knots.

In 2002 I put some information about Kursk on my website. Then I was immediatly contacted by a man working for the French DGSE (counter intellegence). We wanted more information about this MHD torpedo. We met in Paris and "exchanged information".

The person from the DGSE said his information came from a faction of the KGB who were against Poutine. He confirmed that a chinese and two Arabs were on board. He said they were brought on board by helicopter and that the Chinese was a general. Although he confirmed the presence of the two Arabs he said he did not know more about them. According to him, the Russians had planned to demonstrate their MHD torpedo in action in order to sell it to Chinese.

These high velocity torpedoes are very important for strategic purposes as one can use them to destroy the ennemy's nuclear submarine before they could launch their missiles. Without such torpedoes nobody can start a nuclear attack.

Accordin to this man, the diameter of the torpedo was 1 meter. But the American Secret Service was aware of all that. Then a western submarine approached the Kursk and ordered it by sonar to break surface and hand them over the chinese VIP. The Russians did not answer. As a consequence, the decision to sink the Kursk was taken.

Many submarines have been sunk since 1960 through "collisions". The attacking submarine does not fire a torpedo. It gets in close contact with its target and fires a shell, which punctures the subsmarine's hull. That was the first noise. Then the attacking submarine can escape. Shortly after (the second noise) the weapon explodes inside the submarine which sinks immediately.

But only the torpedo room was destroyed making it possible to explain the "accident" in terms of an accidental explosion of a torpedo.

The Russians did not want people to know what was going on abord the Kursk, before the "accident". According to the man from the French secret services a sonar order was sent by the Admiral ship "Peter the First", whick locked all doors of the submarine. A similar order cancelled all possibilities for communication with the surface.

The Admiral ship said to all ships located around :

- The first to approach the Kursk, will be sunk !

Then the Russians tried to pick up their VIP on board. A specialized Russian ship approached the Kursk with two small submarines aboard. One was put at sea and reached the wreck. Only 8 men could come aboard. The idea was to pick up the VIP. But the crew of the Kursk did not believe they would come back to save them. A riot occured. Men were killed. The small submarine went back to the mother ship.

Then Poutine decided to let the crew of the Kursk die. Secret affair.

Later the wreck was recovered, not to recover the corpses but to hide this story. The torpedo chamber, with its 1 m large tubes was destroyed down deep. The MHD torpedoes were recovered. Many devices were recovered, including the propellers and the precious Granit supersonic missiles. The man from the DGSE said that the Kursk was equiped with very secret weapons used to destroy attacking torpedos at distance.

I hope you will publish this. The truth must be known.

J.P.Petit

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От M.Lukin
К spi (12.08.2005 19:58:00)
Дата 14.08.2005 12:21:38

Граждане, шизофрения заразна, зачем всякую гадость сразу в рот тащить :-) (-)
От spi
К M.Lukin (14.08.2005 12:21:38)
Дата 15.08.2005 18:02:56

Re: Граждане, шизофрения...

Осознал, больше не буду.
Действительно сделал глупость, приношу свои извинения.

Это все от того, что по старой памяти кажется, будто свои же от нас все скрывают, а вот на западе все давно известно. Поэтому изучаю все, что могу найти, хотя действительно в помойке копаться не стоит.
От RUSSIA
К spi (12.08.2005 19:58:00)
Дата 13.08.2005 04:09:23

Re: Вот нашел...

О таком бреде я читал много . То что торпеда была второй мировой , то что лодка ржавая была ... то что корпус тонкий и т.д и т.п. Голливудская инфа ...
От serg
К spi (12.08.2005 19:58:00)
Дата 12.08.2005 20:22:40

Re: Вот нашел...

Доброго времени суток!

>Дальше совсем уж бред,

Почему только "дальше"? :-)

>Дальше комментировать не буду.

Да и до этого не стоило бы. :-)

С уважением, serg